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Hardway Vs. 3-V Set Clarification

By Jerry "Stickman"

Could you please clarify your recent response to the question of Hardway Set vs. 3V set? With dice in front of me I cannot see how the 3V set has a greater risk of a 7. I turn the dice and I get a 7 only when there is relative movement of two die faces, the same as the hardway set. Where is the weakness in the 3V set for the 7?


Fred P

Good question Fred. Let’s take a look at a few diagrams of dice – particularly dice in a 3-V set and a hardway set. To give an example of less protection against a 7, here is a 3V set:

By rolling the left die to the counterclockwise, we have the following:

The top faces now are 6 and 1 – a 7. The bottom faces are also a 7 (1 and 6). If we started with a hardway set, no 7 would appear with a single counterclockwise roll of the left die.

Hardway set: Single roll left die:

Let’s look at another single die face movement that produces 7s with the 3-V set. Starting with the same 3-V set, the right die rolls one face clockwise.

3-V set: Single roll right die:

This time the top faces are 5 and 2 – a 7. The bottom faces are 2 and 5 – also a 7. Again, had we started with a hardway set, no 7s would appear with a single clockwise roll of the right die.

Hardway set: Single roll right die:


There you go Fred. Hopefully these examples show you how the hardway set protects better against a 7 than the 3-V set. The hardway set is the only set where one face movement of one die relative to the other never produces a 7. This is the power of the 3-V set.

All the best at the tables,

Jerry "Stickman"

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