Golden Touch Craps - Header

Craps Forum Full Size Craps Tables Learn Dice Control Dominators Sports Picks Watch Dom on the History Channel Golden Touch Craps
Golden Touch Craps

Golden Touch Craps

Playing a "Hopping 7’s" Progression with a controlled shooter

By Jerry "Stickman"

A while back I wrote about playing a "Hopping 7’s" progression. That article can be found here:

The conclusion of that article was to avoid using the progression because the house edge of 11.11 percent will ultimately prevail. The savvy craps player will instead wager on the lowest house edge bets in an effort to minimize losses and possibly win more often. What if the shooter can control the dice? A dice controller can actually set and throw the dice in a way that increases (or decreases) the appearance of the 7. Can a dice controller overcome the house edge? Can he make it preferable to bet the hopping 7’s progression rather than lower house edge bets such as placing the 6 or 8? Let’s find out.

The math of the hop bet says that in a random game a player will lose 11.11 percent of all money wagered. The math also says that in a random game a player placing the 6 (or 8) will lose 1.52 percent of all money wagered. That is what the math says. Let’s see what some simulations say. I ran several simulations specifying a random shooter and various levels of dice control through an excellent software program called Smart Craps from DeepNet Technologies. Each simulation was for 10 million rounds. Also for each simulation showing axis control (keeping the dice on axis more than random), the Smart Craps recommended set was used (yes, Smart Craps actually tells you the best set to use for various bets based on your specific results). This set was always an all 7’s set for the hopping 7’s progression and the 3-V set for placing the six.

All 7’s Set:

3-V Set:

Several types of dice control were simulated – random, SRR, and axis control.

  • Random simulates the typical random shooter with no dice control.
  • SRR stands for Sevens-to-Rolls-Ratio. A random shooter will have one 7 in every six rolls – in the long run – which is 1 in 6.0 or represented as simply and SRR of 6.0. As the number of 7’s decrease the SRR increases. One 7 in every 6.5 rolls is represented as an SRR of 6.5.
  • Smart Craps measures on-axis control. All throws entered into Smart Craps for analysis use the "Hardway Set."
    The four sides of the hardway set show 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, and 5-5 – which are the hardway numbers.

Axis Control is measured by three factors: 1) number of times the dice are on axis per 1,000 rolls, 2) number of times dice end up as a hardway when they are on-axis, and 3) number of times the dice "double-pitch" to make a 7 when they are on axis. A pitch is the movement on-axis so a double pitch would end up with a 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, or 5-2 showing. The numbers in the table below show these three results for several degrees of control. For each level of axis control (482, 500, and 600) the first line of the two shows a random number of hardways and double pitches. The second line of the two shows marginally passing numbers for that control factor. For example, the line 482-121-121 shows 482 on-axis throws out of 1,000, 121 hardways (25 percent of 482), and 121 double pitch 7’s (25 percent 0f 482).

Results from Smart Craps Simulations

Hopping 7s

Placing the 6

Type of Control






SRR 6.5



SRR 5.5





















The random results were very close to the mathematical calculations of -11.11 percent (-11.10) for hopping 7’s and -1.52 percent (-1.53) for placing the 6. When the SRR increases to 6.5 hopping 7’s is worse (-17.62 percent) than random and placing the 6 is better (3.57 percent) than random due to fewer 7’s showing. When the SRR decreases to 5.5 hopping 7’s is better (-3.16) than random and placing the 6 is worse (-7.28) than random due to more 7’s showing.

Axis-control has some interesting results. As the level of on-axis control increases, the results become better for the player. The results are dramatically improved when all three on-axis control factors are at a passing level. But even with an exceptional level of on-axis control (600-176-125), more money is made placing the 6 than playing the hopping 7’s progression.

It is clear from these numbers that playing the best bets (that is, the lowest house edge bets) makes sense even for exceptional dice controllers. The high house edge on the crazy crapper bets is nearly impossible to overcome. Accept the fact and bet the low house edge bets – even as a dice controller. Your bankroll will thank you.

May all your wins be swift and large and all your losses slow and tiny.

Jerry "Stickman" is an expert in craps, blackjack, video poker and advantage slot machine play. He is a regular contributor to top gaming magazines. The "Stickman" is also a certified instructor for Golden Touch Craps and Golden Touch Blackjack. For more information visit or or call 1-886-738-3423. You can contact Jerry "Stickman" at


Insider's Club

Get 2 Free Books and all the latest updates and events from GTC, including information on current dice control seminars and special sales..


The easiest decision you can make to improve your odds at the casino!

This email newsletter is FREE, and every issue is packed with great articles on craps, blackjack and other beatable casino games. Click here for more information about the e-newsletter.

Free eBook with Newsletter Subscription

You’ll also get the FREE Golden Touch E-Book…

Expert Tips on Casino Gambling

This amazing professionally produced e-book includes 25 great articles by the stars of Golden Touch. NO SPAM! We only ask for your e-mail address, never share your information, and only send you the e-newsletter every month or two.

Free Download

Dominator's Latest Book!
FREE Download

FREE Book Photo
Learn the basics of the game, the best and worst bets to make, how to throw the dice, and how to become a knowledgeable Craps player.
Download now it's FREE

Like Us

Join us on facebook and keep up to date with the latest from Golden Touch Craps, you'll be the first to see new videos, articles and news from The Number One Dice Controller in the World, the Dominator!
Visit Us on Facebook


The small size of the class was outstanding with a lot of one-on-one assistance. Working with three different instructors made the learning process an eye-opening experience. more

Craps Seminars

Gamblers Outpost

Private Lessons

Craps Club

Sports Picks